Comments on: Saturation http://thebookishgirl.com/2004/11/10/saturation/ Sat, 05 May 2012 00:27:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Anonymous http://thebookishgirl.com/2004/11/10/saturation/comment-page-1/#comment-96 Anonymous Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:31:00 +0000 http://thebookishgirl.com/?p=64#comment-96 Hey Wendy ~ Would you write up an essay for homegrown? Use Chris's comments as your starting point. I find this fascinating. (And you know what I mean by that, right?) Damn right, I have opinions on people who listen to bigots. Hey Wendy ~ Would you write up an essay for homegrown? Use Chris’s comments as your starting point. I find this fascinating. (And you know what I mean by that, right?) Damn right, I have opinions on people who listen to bigots.

]]> By: Bookish Wendy http://thebookishgirl.com/2004/11/10/saturation/comment-page-1/#comment-95 Bookish Wendy Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:25:00 +0000 http://thebookishgirl.com/?p=64#comment-95 They don’t HAVE to clarify. I’m not demanding it, I’m asking it. I ask it for it so that I can understand why they made the choice they did. Not convince them they are wrong. This is my way of learning how to cross that divide. All of the “liberal” talking points that I stated - they were me... they were my opinions. I didn’t garner them from some newspaper, I live them everyday. I work in a non-profit environmental organization. While we are lucky in Massachusetts to have tougher environmental laws at the State level Bush’s policies still have a strong effect on my everyday work life and our environment. If you’d like I can gather specific cases. You don’t think that you’ve lost any rights? The Patriot Act denies civil rights. I’m not going to argue whether the Patriot Act is right or wrong... just that it is there and that it limits rights and that this Presidents supports it. Even something as little as a right to search library and bookstore records (http://weholdthesetruths.org/Civil-human-legal/Articles/patriotbooksellers.htm) is a big deal to me. It’s just too “Big Brother” for my tastes. I’d rather stay away from the abortion issue, it’s something that is too personal for me. However, I will say that Bush hasn’t had any qualms about appointing ideological members of the scientific community to important boreds and committees. His judgements may or may not act out in legislation. We can all be thankful that our founding fathers had the forsight to recognize the need for separation of powers. However, the man got up and stated that his goal this term was to get a constitution ammedment passed banning gay marriage. That is a huge deal to me. That limits my rights and the rights of my unborn children. I suppose I have judged President Bush. But I’m not pushing to enact legislation preventing him from being who he is as a person and as an American, I would just rather not see him as the leader of my country. More importantly, I’m not judging you. You have a right to believe as you do. I’m just trying to understand what and why you believe that. That’s my goal here. And I appreciate and welcome your comments. They don’t HAVE to clarify. I’m not demanding it, I’m asking it. I ask it for it so that I can understand why they made the choice they did. Not convince them they are wrong. This is my way of learning how to cross that divide. All of the “liberal” talking points that I stated – they were me… they were my opinions. I didn’t garner them from some newspaper, I live them everyday. I work in a non-profit environmental organization. While we are lucky in Massachusetts to have tougher environmental laws at the State level Bush’s policies still have a strong effect on my everyday work life and our environment. If you’d like I can gather specific cases. You don’t think that you’ve lost any rights? The Patriot Act denies civil rights. I’m not going to argue whether the Patriot Act is right or wrong… just that it is there and that it limits rights and that this Presidents supports it. Even something as little as a right to search library and bookstore records (http://weholdthesetruths.org/Civil-human-legal/Articles/patriotbooksellers.htm) is a big deal to me. It’s just too “Big Brother” for my tastes. I’d rather stay away from the abortion issue, it’s something that is too personal for me. However, I will say that Bush hasn’t had any qualms about appointing ideological members of the scientific community to important boreds and committees. His judgements may or may not act out in legislation. We can all be thankful that our founding fathers had the forsight to recognize the need for separation of powers. However, the man got up and stated that his goal this term was to get a constitution ammedment passed banning gay marriage. That is a huge deal to me. That limits my rights and the rights of my unborn children.

I suppose I have judged President Bush. But I’m not pushing to enact legislation preventing him from being who he is as a person and as an American, I would just rather not see him as the leader of my country. More importantly, I’m not judging you. You have a right to believe as you do. I’m just trying to understand what and why you believe that. That’s my goal here. And I appreciate and welcome your comments.

]]> By: Anonymous http://thebookishgirl.com/2004/11/10/saturation/comment-page-1/#comment-94 Anonymous Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:32:00 +0000 http://thebookishgirl.com/?p=64#comment-94 Wendy, I agree there is a great divide of the nation, but I fail to see why one side has to clarify itself and give you proof of the reasons why they voted for Pres. Bush. I read your synopsis of Bush and think, more liberal media bias talking points. I haven't seen any proof that Bush has done anything to affect our environment, only scare tactics by the left. Your view of the war is only your view, what makes it right? What limitation has Pres Bush actually put on you as a woman? I must have missed that passage of legislation, because I haven't lost any rights myself. I hear the left telling us he will do terrible things, but haven't seen any proof of it. As to judging, what are you doing yourself, if not standing in judgement of Pres. Bush? Yet I haven't seen any of his perceived judgements on anyone played out in legislation. Oh horrors, he enactd the right for religious groups to get grant money to help the people in need. Any religous group, not just from his faith. That's a bad thing? We could argue these points all day, but if we continue to come from the stance that only our views are right, we will just continue to anger the other side. We actually need to stop fearing everything about government and start living and helping our fellow man. Start at the ground level and see where it goes. Instead of screaming for government to give the "poor" more money, let's help the poor ourselves. Instead of fearing what the media "tells" us the Ex. Off. is doing, let's search for the truth ourselves. I have had it with this reporting that Pres. Bush is bringing back the draft. Democrats (Charles Rangel for one) were the ones who submitted that bill. The Pres. has said time and time again he is not bringing back the draft. I haven't seen him break his word, can you show me proof of it. P.S. I left Kerstin's blog, after more than a year of a personal online friendship with her, because of the hostility. I am glad to hear it is getting to a more measured discussion. But I won't go back, I tend to stay away from gangs who bully people just because they hold a different view. Oh, and judged me for listening to Rush Limbaugh. Gee, how open minded they are, anybody's view but a conservative. Respectfully yours, chrisknits.blog-city.com Wendy, I agree there is a great divide of the nation, but I fail to see why one side has to clarify itself and give you proof of the reasons why they voted for Pres. Bush. I read your synopsis of Bush and think, more liberal media bias talking points. I haven’t seen any proof that Bush has done anything to affect our environment, only scare tactics by the left. Your view of the war is only your view, what makes it right? What limitation has Pres Bush actually put on you as a woman? I must have missed that passage of legislation, because I haven’t lost any rights myself. I hear the left telling us he will do terrible things, but haven’t seen any proof of it. As to judging, what are you doing yourself, if not standing in judgement of Pres. Bush? Yet I haven’t seen any of his perceived judgements on anyone played out in legislation. Oh horrors, he enactd the right for religious groups to get grant money to help the people in need. Any religous group, not just from his faith. That’s a bad thing?
We could argue these points all day, but if we continue to come from the stance that only our views are right, we will just continue to anger the other side. We actually need to stop fearing everything about government and start living and helping our fellow man. Start at the ground level and see where it goes. Instead of screaming for government to give the “poor” more money, let’s help the poor ourselves. Instead of fearing what the media “tells” us the Ex. Off. is doing, let’s search for the truth ourselves. I have had it with this reporting that Pres. Bush is bringing back the draft. Democrats (Charles Rangel for one) were the ones who submitted that bill. The Pres. has said time and time again he is not bringing back the draft. I haven’t seen him break his word, can you show me proof of it.
P.S. I left Kerstin’s blog, after more than a year of a personal online friendship with her, because of the hostility. I am glad to hear it is getting to a more measured discussion. But I won’t go back, I tend to stay away from gangs who bully people just because they hold a different view. Oh, and judged me for listening to Rush Limbaugh. Gee, how open minded they are, anybody’s view but a conservative.
Respectfully yours, chrisknits.blog-city.com

]]> By: Elisa http://thebookishgirl.com/2004/11/10/saturation/comment-page-1/#comment-93 Elisa Thu, 11 Nov 2004 02:42:00 +0000 http://thebookishgirl.com/?p=64#comment-93 One of the best posts I read today was: http://cityknitter.typepad.com/cityknitter/2004/11/hearts_and_mind.html#comments. She's putting her money and her time where her mouth is, and I say kudos to her. I am feeling better, thank you, and would love to work out a time to meet up with you and Jackie soon. Sundays would be easier for me than Thursdays - but let me know what works for you (and Jackie if you know). I read Jackie's post and the comments and left my own .02. As I told her, I respect the thought she put into her post, even if I don't come down on the same side of an issue. Hope your week is going well... One of the best posts I read today was: http://cityknitter.typepad.com/cityknitter/2004/11/hearts_and_mind.html#comments. She’s putting her money and her time where her mouth is, and I say kudos to her.

I am feeling better, thank you, and would love to work out a time to meet up with you and Jackie soon. Sundays would be easier for me than Thursdays – but let me know what works for you (and Jackie if you know).

I read Jackie’s post and the comments and left my own .02. As I told her, I respect the thought she put into her post, even if I don’t come down on the same side of an issue.

Hope your week is going well…

]]> By: Jackie http://thebookishgirl.com/2004/11/10/saturation/comment-page-1/#comment-92 Jackie Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:48:00 +0000 http://thebookishgirl.com/?p=64#comment-92 For the Conservative Magnus Opus (okay, it's not even close) but it's up at: http://jkcproject.blogspot.com/ Wendy, I'll email you about knitting plans. :) Jackie For the Conservative Magnus Opus (okay, it’s not even close) but it’s up at:

http://jkcproject.blogspot.com/

Wendy, I’ll email you about knitting plans. :)

Jackie

]]> By: Anonymous http://thebookishgirl.com/2004/11/10/saturation/comment-page-1/#comment-91 Anonymous Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:34:00 +0000 http://thebookishgirl.com/?p=64#comment-91 Very, very well-said, Wendy. I agree! I really enjoyed Kerstin's site... have I ever met her? ~ Erin Very, very well-said, Wendy. I agree! I really enjoyed Kerstin’s site… have I ever met her?

~ Erin

]]> By: Bookish Wendy http://thebookishgirl.com/2004/11/10/saturation/comment-page-1/#comment-90 Bookish Wendy Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:01:00 +0000 http://thebookishgirl.com/?p=64#comment-90 Oh goodie... I'm looking forward to it Jackie! You go girl. ;) Oh goodie… I’m looking forward to it Jackie! You go girl. ;)

]]> By: Jackie http://thebookishgirl.com/2004/11/10/saturation/comment-page-1/#comment-89 Jackie Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:46:00 +0000 http://thebookishgirl.com/?p=64#comment-89 Ooooh. The gauntlet has been laid. :) I will begin work on a measured response from a Bush supporter, and either post it, or just email it, but now I see that my voice is needed. Also, I'm looking forward to meeting up, so I'll email about those details too. On my way to a 2 hour meeting... Jackie Ooooh. The gauntlet has been laid. :)

I will begin work on a measured response from a Bush supporter, and either post it, or just email it, but now I see that my voice is needed.

Also, I’m looking forward to meeting up, so I’ll email about those details too.

On my way to a 2 hour meeting…

Jackie

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